christian domestic discipline testimonials
Building an adult-adult relationship with parents is a difficult transition, but it can be done. What does that actually mean? I come to believe that spanking is needed to protect the marriage. BeenThereDoneThat: Ive heard that put-down of those who quote scripture before. We need to consider the importance of thecorrelation of. Hes made the right call. Daisy: I dont have issues with men. Then in your next paragraph: Men are not the loving protectors that some claim that they should be Er Even without saying the word spanking, it would be easy for a husband sitting in a pew to take that kind of teaching and think that a pastor was giving his stamp of approval for wife spanking to get her under control. They then work out a document, a 30-page document describing every aspect of the relationship (the superior/inferior nature and all its practical implications, when and how spanking is to be performed, what the man can and cannot do, what the woman can and cannot do etc). In Dr. Phils example, we see a bully who used rage and anger as he spanked/assaulted his wife. Nope, A Lone Voice, Im not going there with you. Regarding your link, Id actually view the success of 50 shades as a consequence of so many women not having an example of real masculinity in their lifeso they go for the fake, which is Christian Gray or whoever. I can also say , please sir may I go to bed without my nightgown and thats me asking to be intimate, Ben almost always says yes. Youre quoting a rule or law which only applied under the Old Covenant, for the Jews. science is wrong on domestic violence because you said so? You cannot say you respect and love an adult when you treat them like a child and all these women who are letting their husbands hit them you cant love yourself. You may also like to read our Safety Planning page: Those laws included things that happened in the bedroom between consenting adults. Since then, the most common search term whichbrings people to the blog iswife spanking. Some of the search phrases make me want to vomit. Unless I am not well I cannot refuse to submit to Ben if wants to be intimate, usually when he wants to be intimate he keeps me naked after my Bath when I am sent to bed, he tells me no nightgown tonight and I know what that means. Submission is not meant for badits meant to give us more freedom actually. Danielle, butlerpartyof3.com, 7. He was so different than the other Christians I had met, many of whom tormented my Jewish best friend and my completely secular family. Aspire to knowledge and aspire to love, declare yourself ignorant and humble and you will find justice and wisdom for God does not reveal himself to arrogant people and this is why you are in darkness on this matter. It seems like my husbands leadership skills have developed so strongly. a forensic psychologist who evaluates and treats sexual psychopaths and is the author of a book on abuse. We are commanded to submit to them. Even the words used I think make some women question whether it is wrong or not. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. Wife spanking is often referred to as Christian Domestic Discipline, as if to make it more politically correct. 15 reasons why Christian domestic discipline is a terrible, anti-Christian idea | Biblical Personhood, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/hotlines/, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/safety-planning/. Your testimonial will be added to this blog so that other people can benefit from and be inspired by your experiences with Christian Domestic Discipline. In, the language of our marriage, in referring to this lifestyle choice, I tell my husand that I love being his baby. As a right wing, social conservative, I disagree with most secular left wing feminism. From what I can tell, Jamin remains a member in good standing at Doug Wilsons church. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. You are a very dogmatic person. They did not see his authority as abusive, but appropriate. Sex is much deferent for women than it is for men, it is often miserable, especially when the vomit on you thinks you have to be submissive to him like a dog or sex slave, and you cant tell him no! This 3. I would encourage you to visit the following site, especially their blog section Go back to the word (Luke 4:1-13) and see for yourself. You get all edgy. Youre filtering Scriptures not only through your experiences, but also a previous assumption that God approves and condones patriarchy, and you read that back into the Bible. [redacted] said Jamin is very controlling. But you dont know whether shes a Christian. Lets discusshymens. Serving Kids: Lets get this straight. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. What a shame men have come along and subverted His purposes for women. Lets see what passes the test of time and lets judge everything by its fruits (even though the negative and confusing fruits of your radical ideollogy can already be seen after a generation only. I Hate that Thing: The Loop But just like a chocolate addict will eat carob in moments of dire necessity. ever. For anything can be labelled an abuse with this method. Seriously, Lone, as our gracious hostess notes, there are many disagreements on this site, which is why this thread has over 100 comments. Christian You need to give their views more serious study and attention. If I am given a warning I usually get it done. Kali, christiandomesticdiscipline.net, 6. My sister and brother continue to suffer as a result. And guess what? For your prescription is to amputate all arms because some hands could possibly get infected at some point in the future. Domestic Discipline and the Bible Although defenders of domestic discipline argue that their lifestyle is biblically-based, many Christian religious leaders disagree. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. This 3. Comfortable, but very childish, very full coverage stuff. ISIS loves it. You never fail to amuse. Would Jesus (bad word) the church against the churches will? My husband and I would be considered rather boring by most people. You are not making any case, you are simply asserting that your personal religious views are better and therefore should be turned into laws. Unless I agree with you 100%, Im outside of the will of God? They first have a conversation about Domestic Discipline. Christian So things that would injure (whipping, anal sex) or humiliate would be right out. I dont think I have the right to question how my husband corrects me. And make no mistake about it, any husband, pastor or other supposed Christian who claims the right to exercise coercive authority over another, excepting only to counter evil, is an abuser. As a matter of fact, I get yelled at on occasion by homosexual marriage supporters on other sites for politely stating I disagree with how homosexual marriage supporters bully those they disagree with over the homosexual marriage topic.). :o). Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. If they divorced or left their husbands, they had no means of financial support. We have been together since I was 15. Elijah did not begin by being arrogant, dogmatic, self-congratulating and dismissive (like you have been in this discussion). This, to me, is a strong leader. It ranged anywhere from a swat or two over my clothing up to him pulling down my pants for episodes that left me bawling. Isnt bullying between two consenting children? Plausible? Wife Spanking, Christian Domestic Discipline, Domestic Violence *** You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered. Continue reading. I didnt fancy them seeing my panties, but we agreed. Male headship is followed all over the world.. And then after that we will spend several articles looking at cultural views of domestic discipline in America before the modern age. Does that make bullying okay? But just like a chocolate addict will eat carob in moments of dire necessity. Just as our Lord washed the feet of His disciples, it wasnt to show that He was beneath them, but to show that real leadership serves. Regina, christianforums.net, 9. When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. I woke up in a horrible mood and from the beginning I was very disrespectful to my husband. So, the testimonials in THIS VERY THREAD of wives who were shamed and beaten by their husbands are false simply because you declare them so? Why isnt child spanking just as abusive as wife spanking? [redacted] said the next morning Jamin made her wear a turtle neck to church so nobody would see the bruises. ), (Cherry picking or distorting verses such as _1 Tim 2.12_ and keep tossing them my way does not count. 50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT? And should she submit and obey him if he asks someone else to punish her for something, including a spanking? We wish we had known of a site like this when we were starting out our marriage. I found an old post of yours from last year. But I have come to believe that there was a form of CDD/DD in the days of the bible. THATS JUST WRONG! I find this very insightful. Thats why Hollywood had/has such a high divorce rate two stars who were independently wealthy married and then when the marriage went south, the wife knew she could divorce without losing her livelihood. Women werent squelched when they were told to TELL MEN that Jesus had resurrected. Im over 40 years of age and in charge of my own life. Or were they connected with teachings similar to an article I wrote, Wife Undermines Her Husbands Authority in Front of Children, He DisciplinesHer? (no spanking adults goes without saying, though your parents just may provoke Prime Minister Justin Trudeau TO say that) The notion of automatic mental vulnerability and the basically mandatory victim status of the woman. Most jobs that could provide a living were male occupations. But it gets even worse. Domestic Discipline is the same sort of addictive behavior. Next Saturday, this wife was real quiet. Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. Then my dad and my husband had coffee while I stood in the corner and dad talked to my husband about being head of household. Its because sje disrespected me. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. If kink is your thing, thats your thing, but dont sit there and try to convince me or anyone else you got kink from the Bible because you sure as heck did not. Meanwhile, what Jesus called the two most important commandments are completely ignored. Jamin said [redacted] tried to leave the bedroom and walked into his hands. So without knowing it, the type of extreme feminism you promote is currently working toward its own destruction. Its only by bringing the two together under complete subjection to Christ by both parties that the marriage will ever be complete. Anonymous, musingsofaministerswife.com, 11. Domestic Disciplining is consistent with the natural instincts of men and women which is why it has been practiced for so long, and why it will keep coming back over and over whether you like it or not. Give me a break. Oh yes, statistics. Yes, Its true. Any marriage in which one partner is exerting control over the other IMHO is wrong. I would find that approach must less objectionable. saying she needs to feel the pain to remind her to whom she belongs and forcing her to do rigorous housework and chores. JULY 1, 2015 @ 8:50 AM Well, even if it should turn out that punishment is proportional to the evil committed, and must eventually end for all, I am convinced that you will ultimately be satisfied with the consequences your abusers must surely suffer. And they have no right to it. Domestic Discipline They employ demands for forgiveness in a manner that makes forgiveness the Evangelical Christian F word. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. Instead, I understand that person to be trapped in a self-destructive pattern of addiction. Soooo he is a modern psychologist? Nope, cant go there anymore. Many people even literally proceed in the manner I have just described. My husband tells me all the time how proud he is of the woman I have become. My mother ruled the house and henpecked my father. Men ruling over women was a result of the fall, of sin entering humanity it was never Gods intent. Finally, I would suggest that the fix you are suggesting are the reasons domestic discipline has been making a come back lately and is here to stay. He is giving me enough leeway so I am not really stressed about it, and since our test spank, I know what Im in for if I fail. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. No this isnt the argument at all. States have laws restricting what people in a position of influence can do with those they employ or counsel or pastor or treat. Why cant we just boldly say spankings is always abusive, because hitting people is abusive? So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. But God does miracles and he can deal with your pain, as bad as it is. Did you tell him why you were leaving? I do not ask you to embrace this way of life, the only thing I ask you is to stop being on the wrong side of history with these disguting tactics. We were not married until I turned 19 though. Wacky science isnt fooling anyone, even if people are not always able to verbalize it, they feel within themselves that something is wrong and this autism makes them explode at some point.. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the Lord will release her because her father has forbidden her. For instance, those who practice domestic discipline often cite scripture that calls for wives to submit to their husbands. Which is another reason that role playing is dangerousOK, Im not good enough for you, but if I dress up as Kim Kardashian, thats OK now?. 1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. My husband was referred to your website awhile ago and presented me with this lifestyle. Resistance During a Spanking He/she was saying that men truly working with the wisdom of God understand everything, both Gods justice, and the theories of their counterparts, rather than only understanding their own theories and thinking that everybody else is a fool (like you do). [redacted], and his wife, [redacted], were in the room while I was talking with [redacted]. And Junia, may God bless her, doesnt do it. He waits not for the tears to start, but for a repenting, submissive cry, and spanks me even after this. I see no other difference in how these wives are treated compared to how they were treated as daughters. BDSM is not recommended for all Christians, but safe and responsible BDSM has the potential to enhance intimacy and strengthen marriages. And you seem to see yourself not as a good child, a child of the light, but as a dark child. Why are saddle-wearing men seen as free agents, capable of free thought, in direction of their own life? Period. Its not physically another person, but it is mentally and emotionally. D husband turned a non-consensual sex fetish. The definition Im using with the word submissive is the biblical definition of that. Please go and speak to a pastor in a completely different church from the one they were in (I should recommend a sister in a Pentecostal church, but thats just my personal suggestion). I dont know where the line is, but looking back now I think I can say that spanking even at 14 or 15 was not right and certainly not up to the age I was. 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Williamson Christian Pundit, What is in a Name: When Your Spouse Refuses to Call You ByName, Classical Conversations #1: The Good, The Bad, and TheUgly, Greg Morse at Desiring God Laments StrongWomen. This practice is about two consenting adults who are free to leave the relationship at any time, period. These testimonials are arranged in reverse order, with the most recent one first. I never forget the last time I tested him. Spanking your wife because your tiny little denomination thinks thats holy? When it comes to being intimate its only Ben , it would be a bad sin with anyone else. I think he made his point. As a strong-willed person, I see submission as a form of feminine chivalry. I think nobody bothered to really answer because your self-proclaimed moral superiority, and arrogant psychiatric doctor tone make you guys look close-minded and beyond hope. Example please? For this purpose moderation and tolerance are key. I find your style offensive. I am a submissive wife but do not always submit. I dont mean their wives are perfect and sinless. I suggest that there is no sin in anger born of grief. It's not a book on Christian Domestic Discipline, but on Domestic Discipline and was written by a woman. Youre the one admitting on a public blog that you like to be spanked. I got spanked at home until I left to be with my ex when I was 21. Thank you, Serving. Jenna's Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. May we all work to protect women and expose this shameful sin and crime in our churches. I dont think a Husband has the right to ask his wife to sin.But we are not given the wisdom God gives our husband they are superior to us, we are inferior my Minister teaches us this in our Wives and young girls Bible class Bible class. 2. I WASNT SCARED!!!! If you actually are a woman, how sad that you are participating in your own second-class status and actually defending it. So he has this attitude, because he is about to bring them irrefutable proof (which you are not doing). I see no interest whatsoever on your side on actually studying what you are talking about. You seem to imagine that the relationships start like a normal date, and then once the woman is trapped and vulnerable, the man shows his true colors, or initiates the discussion at a point when the woman cannot truly consent. I have a lot of respect for your father, and husband. Right now, you have decided that you were morally better and intellectually superior to these people and that they are in need of medical care and social assistance which is quite an arrogant position to have for someone who admits not knowing much about the topic. Just 3% of those (thats 0.1% of Americans) went to Africa and Eastern Europe isnt even mentioned:. Sorry, have not read anything here yet! photo credit: Chiara Cremaschi via photopin cc. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Julie Anne can be reached at: JA@SpiritualSoundingBoard.com, Kathi can be reached at: Kathi@SpiritualSoundingBoard.com. Anne Garboczi Evans, that is terrible! How does a Christian man go about introducing Domestic Discipline into his marriage and what techniques actually work? I do not and will not oblige him in his depravity. He was so different than the other Christians I had met, many of whom tormented my Jewish best friend and my completely secular family. It is strength under control, it is bridled strength.First Peter 3:1 says, In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives.It is very difficult to have two heads of authority.It doesnt work in the military, it doesnt work I mean, you have one president, you know what Im saying? Candace, huffingtonpost.com, 4. So while I believe that Biblically speaking, married couples do have a great amount of freedom in how and when they make love, that does not extend to humiliation and injury. I think its quite funny that you make the cultural practices of other countries an argument for how Christians should live. Oh, the Pharisees were really good at quoting scripture. I was home-schooled and was raised to not even think about college. Not only do their wives accept the particular program of domestic discipline that I teach but through this particular domestic discipline program these husbands have achieved 100 percent submission from their wives. The article I linked to at 4:14 PM distinguishes between unforgiveness and grieving. Send in your testimonials! Why are women in a similar, and even more benign relationship seen as victims, non-free agents, and not capable of the free thought it might take to walk out the door? When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for wives to submit. Beautiful Surrender: 13 Godly Christian Wives I have already done that in my previous posts like The Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline. To correct bad behavior, and when done biblically, it isnt wrong to spank a wife. DavidA Were they surprised by it? Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. Me. It was there that I met Christ and started down my path to happiness. Your inability to understand your counterpart speaks volume and certainly does not honour you. I am doing much better now and am very glad to be removed from all that. I Hate that Thing: The Loop And you just assume I am a man because it never enters your intolerant head that a woman could actually want to put herself under her husbands headship. Men do not step up to the plate to defend women. I love them but our relationship is often strained. Welcome to grown up land folks. You take it up with him., the wife and the husband having power or authority over each others bodies is in the context of them not refusing each other conjugal relations (due benevolence). I find joy in being a submissive wife. I dont believe Bill Gothard is a Christian, I think he is a sadistic man that worships himself and wants other people to worship him. ), You said, Dont just say my position is not Biblical, argue it, prove it from scripture, of course.. The last paragraph of Laurens e-mail revealed her parentssided with Laurens husband and believed her to be disobedient to her husband. Male headship is followed all over the world. You think that your intolerance is acceptable because you are on the side of political correctness. TIL hitting your spouse is the key to making relationships work. Did you know the APA approves gender reassignment surgery as the best way to HELP a male patient who reports his inner self is really female? Slander and lies are his stock and trade and so it is with his children. Im not prepared to claim that lonely wolf is a child of the devil, but I do suggest that there is plenty of reason for the exercise of discernment. The Bible keeps the door firmly shut on what goes on in the marital bedroom and so should you. It took such a long time because that line had been blurred from growing up and then being married. [redacted] is originally from England and is unfamiliar with local laws and believed Jamin. (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? Previously I have shown Domestic Discipline to be both a Biblical concept as well as a historical practice amongst husbands for thousands of years on my Instagram page @biblicalsexandiscipline and on my blog Biblicalgenderroles.com as well as podcasts Very interested in the resources available to wives repeatedly forced to accept this unspeakable treatment.
